harley turn signal module problems
When you say Security System, are you implying that all EFI bikes have some sort of ECM cut if the TSM is removed the bike won't start, or does that only apply if you have the separately sold HD Sec Sys installed? so in theory because i am getting rid of a ton of stuff that has a fuse in the oem fuse blocks, couldnt i run a universal fuse block and find a nice one that mounts and looks presentable. So I got my lights, ignition system, battery, and starter. 1 product rating - HARLEY TSM TSSM TURN SIGNAL SECURITY MODULE 68925-07 DYNA TOUR VROD SPORTSTER. Pushed it home and the black hole began. the neutral and clutch interlock switches which prevent the bike from being started unless one of these two items has been used is also no longer present. So - your current latching switches allow you to press once - the turn signal blinks until you press again, to unlatch .... Is that right? I would unplug the module from the main wiring harness and test the violet and brown wires with your turn signals working to see if you are getting a pulsing / flashing signal to the module. That'll make a bike do exactly what you're describing. I read the whole thing just. yu can kinda tell it is a forced kill.....dont know how to explain it but maybe you kinda know what im saying. it comes out of the ecm connector as 3 wires heat shrinked together. My wiring is all modified but I have the factory connectors and all components hooked up on my bike. If you connect the datalink wire back up to the TSSM and ICM you should be ok. That's fine mike....but I am not sure I'll get it to the post office early enough today (can not get there till 3pm) to make it. if you have any suggestion the the S.E. I pretty much just stayed with the diagram in my service manual. I go to take her for a little ride before I leave for a trip get maybe a 1/4 mile away and backfire and acts like it ran out of gas. Accessing the diagnostics menu requires you to press several of the accessory switches in a very specific manner, within a short amount of time. Sorry for pulling up questions on a nearly decade old post but: I've taken apart my bike to hardtail (I know, it'll hurt hahaha) and stripped everything off. Well, the manual has steered me wrong in the past. When you press the right button, a 12 V signal is fed to the TSSM on a W/BN wire or a W/V wire when you press the left button. All the signals are run thru this little unit. I've read through this thread and have seen some similar issues but I am still having no success. Just doesn't seen like a fuel issue. Lots of great people / ideas on here. Just hooking up the tssm didn't work until I attached the speedo as well. Ok thanks, I'll check it out. Seems other people have done it without trouble but maybe on efi? Top Rated Seller Top Rated Seller. I have read bits & pieces of this thread. Or, can I move forward with a simply do a simple wire, without worry that the lack of a TSM will stop it from running? Having the wiring wrong when you first put power to it might have done some damage. The bike cranks but it doesn't seem to run for as long as it would before I hooked up the tsm, it's like half an ignition cycle instead of one full cycle. What I'll do is move the ECM and TSM to my buddies bike and disarm it like it says in your post. The Sportster and Buell Motorcycle Forum - The XLFORUM®, Sportster Motorcycle Electrical and Ignition, How-To: Eliminate the Turn Signal Module (TSM). i started a forum on chopcult. At the beginning of this thread (see post #19) I explained how I did it to my bike and if you look at my info I have a 2007 1200N. Well, the tsm controls your turn signals (not important), but it also serves as your bank angle sensor. Read the thread! Same thing. ... dealing with wiring problems. Hope this helps someone who's in the same boat as me. only 9K on engine. For 3 seconds... try it again and hammer the throttle ... she is in beast mode! northwoodsiron, I split most of your post off to start a new thread, here. The series and buttons are different for different year bikes. Automatic Turn Signal Self Canceling Light Module by Badlands®. I have spark with stock icm no tsm hooked up at all just need to find out fom dynatek what the deal is with there ignition.I might have a dynatek ignition for sale. Dazu gehört der Widerspruch gegen die Verarbeitung Ihrer Daten durch Partner für deren berechtigte Interessen. Must have been deactivated because it ran fine. we went to the Harley shop - Head Tech said that we need the "good health" signal. Taillight hooked up and working. I have not popped a fuse since the rewire and she fires up and runs strong just won't stay on. If you want to hang out with the real riders you need to get yourself a Sportster! I am not so sure I am going to be as lucky trying to plug it back in! I wired back in the tssm and speedo to attempt to pull error codes. How is yours set up? well i tested with a test light and there is power but when i am cranking the wht/bk from icm to coil dims down i still gonna check with meter later. so how would i know if that sensor is pulsing......take it in the get them to hook it up? Tsm, but this is actualy a custom built bike, and was not going to use the tsm but bike wouldn't run soi got the tsm and still doesn't. Has anyone had long term success removing the tcm & then getting their bike to run? Comso, I'd be pulling me hair out if I had any. The turn signal module receives its information from the speedometer and turn signal switches. Mine too. usually as long as you get there before they close they can get it to me next day but Sat delivery would be fine too. who cares now....you will get mad props on my feature!!! And if anybody needs a really simple wiring harness for a 05 sportster lemme know. Kenworth Turn Signal Module will definitely help you in increasing the efficiency of your work. We turned engine over with plugs removed and they fire longer than 1 second - tried for about 5 sec and they fired the whole time. This is the wiring diagram I'll be trying to use, so I'm not sure where that relay comes into play: When the starter button is built into the starter, there is no need for a starter relay. So I went and cleaned and checked all ground locations and checked and cleaned my hot cable from battery to starter no issues but still wasn't working. vBulletin® v3.8.11, Copyright ©2000-2020, vBulletin Solutions Inc. But I'm the second owner, so I don't know if the PO had something flashed to the ECM. if so pm me your paypal. Yes, it is possible for '04 Sportsters; that is what this thread is about. I have one probe on the negative battery terminal and the other on the #9 lead, or more specifically on the spade connector plugged into the relay. I'm sure I'm leaving something out of the description but using the wiring diagram combined with finding some threads about minimizing the wires me and my partners in crime were pretty sure we had everything covered. i ddint know you would knock it out that quick and now i can get it before the weekend....pm me. Power stays at coil even when it quits. but the bike cranks, and runs for about 3-5 seconds and shuts off. Lots of great people / ideas on here! Glad to have you with us! I'm just curious something blew all those fuses when the bike went down and since I removed the tssm I havent blown one May take a little but I'll post once I get the resync achieved and check all my pins again. That wire is constantly hot, probably not good. You told me you were still learning about this electrical stuff, but I am seeing the case is quite the contrary. Get a little nervous with no rear signals. Wanted to remove them anyway and that just made up my mind for me. So what you were doing in the past was just fine. I didn't see anyone who did it on an 04-06 only people who ended up replacing or installing a tsm. I am about to bypass the TCM and get another flasher and be done. I have an 02 xl1200c and my tsm just went south. I am not going to say you don't have a bad ICM. Mike.....just got home and your ecm and tsm were in my mailbox. I have read bits & pieces of this thread. Pressing the turn signal twice before starting the procedure is the secret to this whole deal, as it would turn out. only two days mail time so i could have it to you by thursday..... PM sent. Is it a new tsm that hasn't had the password learn procedure done? the tsm was borrowed from the stealership from someone who had a security system added to thier bike. okay thx.....do you know a good source. i meant the speedo and front turn signal male plugs. the tsm is gone now but all oem stuff. :tour. It's incredible that the manual is screwed up like that. 1996 Harley-Davidson Evo Electra Glide FLHTCUI Turn Signal Module 68540-96 Used. I am supposing that was part of my problem... EDIT: nevermind, I quoted something from last summer that has probably already been dicussed in last 6 pages, "I find your lack of faith disturbing..." -Darth Vader. my buddy who is an hd mechanic said bike wont run. thanks a ton cosmo.....thats what i figured it was but it almost made me think my bike might have has the security system. Have you ever drawn up a simple diagram for someone who just needs the bare minimal. Alright....well I am not sure how I did it....but I was able to remove the connector from the TSM without pulling the battery. I am trying to eliminate the tcm on a 2006 sportster that never had an alarm. Watch; 09 Harley Davidson Sportster XL1200C Turn Signal Security Module Unit 68920-07 (Fits: Harley-Davidson) Recharged the battery and tried another battery as well. I have an inline spark tester on my plugs (brand new)and the light up on ignition and die when the bike dies. I removed them first to simply tighten them inside the brackets but when I put em back on the bolt pulled the threads out on one side of the triple clamp. So I eliminated the TSM, soldered the ground to the start relay control, put it all back together and now the bike starts, runs for 1-2 seconds and dies like I hit kill. This is first time we are starting engine. I haven't tried marrying the new icm yet because I would need to rewire in the old tssm I just haven't gotten to it yet and since the old icm seems to work still and it ran fine before I'm not sure if that's the problem. Your simplified wiring diagram should work fine. Nothing. and the wires that arent going to be used that run to the tsm can be comepletely removed from the harness? I am trying to eliminate the tcm on a 2006 sportster that never had an alarm. This modification is for 04'+ TSMs only! Test what you can with a test light or multimeter. Not sure if this makes a differance but i do still have the speedo wired in. Well I got my TSM in the mail today and I wired it all up, but Im having some issues. according to the wiring, all i should need for the ECM to see the tsm and do the re-learn is the grey, black, and grn/violet......here is a picture of my set up. Didn't realize you had different lights altogether...I am used to my plug n' play radientz LEDs. Since your ign. We are building a custom Redneck Eng. No horn. Before, if I was quick I could get one rev out of the motor, but I can't seem to now. The speedo has the red key on it. If you have 12 vdc to only one side, replace the fuse. I imagine that I'll be posting some sort of result here once I get the new tsm. You really seem to know loads about it. If I wanted to get rid of the factory Security System, what I've got to do is replace the factory TSSM with a TSM and do the ECM password relearn. The space the signal bracket took up only allowed the very tip of the bolts to grab and I guess I overtightened considering that situation. The your turn signal module is not being powered correctly. Thanks again for the help! I figured I pinched a wire so I decided to rewire the whole shebang. I don't have any blown fuses and I can hear the flasher (little box in the rubber cover) clicking, but I get nothing. #1 Gnd, #2 +12vdc, power is good. I had the bike from new and never had a fob, alarm, nothing but dealer could have done something before I got it. one catch though is i need it back asap. I KNEW you'd have the right answers 'sportsterdoc'. Thanks man just did my headlight and clutch wire.. works like a charm and no speedo it is. Mike.....you are now treading in unfamiliar ground for me. You may need to replace your turn signal module. Damit Verizon Media und unsere Partner Ihre personenbezogenen Daten verarbeiten können, wählen Sie bitte 'Ich stimme zu.' Would actually be nice it couldn't. Also my initial cut and tuck of the wires was 3 years ago, When I cut out the tssm the power for the icm was pigtailed so I dedicated the power from the battery with a 15 amp inline fuse. enable signal, starter relay and serial data run through it (TSM), you probably should install it. Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube. tried initaly with out it but bike starts then stalls so i figured it needed a signal from tsm, is it posible to make the module think its getting that signal and if so how? See if you have triggered signal to the module when you … i cannot find a place for it to hook up, but also some of the wires from it are spliced into the TSM. I'll post and let you know if it works. I imagine that terminal 1 has to have power, and terminal 9 has to be connected to the relay for this whole deal to work considering that the procedure has yet to bare fruit. Hey all! If resistance is less than 1 ohm check for 12 vdc on both sides of the accessory fuse. Awesome. The TSM/TSSM (turn signal module / turn signal security module) controls the turn signal flashing and cancelling. I appreciate you doing that. ;). (Thinking this would be the equivalent of grounding the bank angle sensor if it was looking for an all good signal) I sent constant power to the coil and the icm. Even if I add a jumper from starter relay to ground as Cosmo shows in his first post? Looking good! Sick of trying to work the clutch, steering, throttle and turn signal at the same time. And as a matter of fact, I left my starter relay grounded to the frame (as opposed to being connected to terminal 9) during the whole process, and it still worked. the ecm is good i have faith their. Skip to content. $83.95 - $94.95. I unwrapped everything and pulled out all of the wiring. Badlands Turn Signal Canceler ATS-03-A Badlands Illuminator Plug-in Style Run, Brake and Turn Signal Module ILL-01-A Eagle Equalizer Plug and Play Load Equalizer and Stabilizer for Harley Davidson Motorcycle LED Turn Signals Dunno. My signals started to go out intermittently until they just quite working altogether yesterday. thanks a ton cosmo.....thats what i figured it was but it almost made me think my bike might have has the security system. mod it would be greatly appreciated. The original icm was connected and the bike was running fine for 3 years with all the excess extremities cut OTHER than the bank angle sensor, starter relay, and ignition which connects to the kill switch then heads to the icm which I bypassed completely and I eliminated anything that was in contact with the kill switch and ditched the starter relay with the new momentary switch. I've been hunting for a used TSM to try out a few things and learn how these things tick....but haven't been able to get one yet. 24 product ratings - SDC Signal Dynamics Self-Cancelling Turn Signal Module Harley Custom 01501. Thanks cosmo, its an 06 tc88 the 01 was a mis type by me, going out to try this now, again thanks for info, Thanks cosmo, its an 06 tc88 the 01 was a mis type by me, I think he means that this thread was intended for sportys 04' and newer....his is older (2001). Used 1996 Harley-Davidson Electra Glide FLHTCUI. Check the … So the bike can be started with it in gear and the clutch out. You Rock man ! I check the fuses a couple were popped (not sure which ones) after replacing the fuses she would crank but wouldn't turn over. Thanks for pointing that out "River Runner"! Glad I read this. 4.5 out of 5 stars. Yahoo ist Teil von Verizon Media. Small 3-wire independant sensor. If you have any ideas where else I could look would be greatly appreciated. my wiring is solid.....only thing i can thing is that i am not doing the re-learn correctly. Hmmm... Yeah I think it may be that. How can I remove this or which management can I remove? All parts are sold AS-IS. I think i will do the cover and shrink wrap thing i think that is an excellent idea again thanks great help on everything. The wires are far enough away that they are not touching. For 3 seconds then acts like it's running out of gas. Buy It Now. thanks to u my bars are clear and my bike is actually running cuz i could not figure it out. Ah, thank you gents! Im looking at this set of instructions at: seems like the ground signal to the relay is not full strength. I actually just removed the front signals today. Engine will run only about 1 second ; primed / choke / non-choke / cleaned carb steering. The white/black wire things, and confirmed that all of the box ICM does not need put... 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